6Э5П Shunt Cascode Driver

Introduction

The main challenge when implementing valve amplifiers using transmitting valves or valves which require a significant voltage swing (e.g. 300B, 45, etc.) is the driver. Getting the driver right is not easy. You’re asking for a single stage to swing 150 to 200Vpp at minimum distortion. There are some ways you can achieve this:

Implementing 2 stage voltage amplification. Here is where we find a lot of bad designs and poor results. Sometimes the 300B gets a bad reputation due to a wimpy or poor driver. Many designs out there use 2 stages of 6SN7 for example. Nothing wrong about using the 6SN7, however when you cascade 2 stages the sound is muddled at low levels. Harmonic profiles may be encouraging but they simply don’t sound great.
Implementing a high-mu driver stage. There are several high-mu drivers out there than can swing plenty of volts. 6Э5П, 6Э6П, 6j52P, 6j49p-DR, E280F, C3g, etc. They work well, specially if you couple them with a gyrator, you can achieve hi gain. If you opt for degenerating the cathode resistor, the gyrator still provides a low output impedance to avoid degrading it due to the degeneration resistor. I’m a big fan of this approach. The only disadvantage is that you need a buffer/line-stage capable of driving the Miller capacitance. I have a nice preamp/line stage so this isn’t a problem to me.
Implementing a pentode driver. Pentode don’t suffer from Miller capacitance. However, you need to find the right driver, not all sound well in my experience. I like the 4P1L and C3g. You can use a gyrator load with pentodes as well. Some folks complain about the pentode harmonic signature. I think this is a question of personal taste.
Implementing a shunt cascode driver. Hey, this is what this post is about! There are several benefits already discussed at length on this topology. If you need high gain and minimum capacitance load (e.g. Miller) as you have a DAC output for example, this is what you should look into. The Shunt Cascode operates the triode in a vertical load line (not horizontal like the CCS or gyrator).

Design

You should start by reading this extensive blog post. That will provide you with a lot of information around the shunt cascode and how it works. Back in 2013 I started playing with the 6Э5П in this topology. It was quite promising. Now, I have revisited and built this driver to see how it really performed.

The design is very similar to what we discussed back then. I shall proceed in describing the circuit, in particular the changes made. The driver is still the marvellous 6Э5П. There are few valves out there that I don’t like as much as I do with the 6Э5П. I measured the curves long time ago when I started with the curve tracer project. I also tested the 6Э5П and 6Э6П extensively. I do love the 6Э6П as well, it’s one of my favourite drivers.

The 6Э5П is biased at about 200V/30mA with a degeneration cathode resistor of 120Ω. As the gain of this stage isn’t dependent on the μ of the valve, then is good to do this to improve the linearity of the driver. M2 forms a CCS with Rmu. It provides the current to the 6Э5П as well as the current to the common base stage formed by Q1 and Q2. The gain of this stage is gm times R5. The gm is the valve’s transconductance The collector current of the MPSA92 is kept low to ensure distortion is minimised as well as its operated under SOA. D3 provides a protection to the darlington pair when is reversed biased.

The gain of this stage was measured to be x140 (or 43dB). That equals to a degenerated transconductance of 5mA/V with a cathode resistor of 120Ω and a gain resistor for 27kΩ.

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SiC MOSFET Follower Driver

How many more times

Led Zeppelin wrote a fantastic song on their first album: how many more times. You may not be a rock fan, but hey: what a great song. How many more times do I want to get back to this “slew rate” theme? I don’t know, as much as I have to. Plenty of comments out there of bad designs with wimpy drivers attempting to take the 300B/2A3 or even 45 valves to full tilt with disappointing results. Either way, they always blame the valves.

I came back to revisit the driving of capacitive loads effectively as I’m working on a new 4P1L PSE amplifier. Slowly, but getting there. Previously I looked at adding a buffer to the 01a preamp as a result of slew rate limitations found in Tony’s implementation of this preamp.

The circuit design

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Slew Rate (Part III)

Introduction

Are you writing again about the “Slew” thing? There is a lot to be said about the slew rate still. In fact, this post is about some real life measurements and experiences had in the past few days.

This week I went to my friend’s (Tony) place to listen to his 01a with the additional follower discussed previously. Tony complained about that the addition of the follower changed the sound of the 01a. Something was lost, detail on the treble, airiness. I brought up again my test gear and surprisingly we found some H3 level which wasn’t there on the previous preamp. Odd, could that be the FET follower? In the end after several tests, I checked the operating point (you should never assume they should be as expected) and found that the follower wasn’t operating at the optimal level, source current was low and also the 01a was running out of place. I recalibrated the gyrator and voila. The sound of the 01a, came back!

Unfortunately we ran out of time and I did not take any measurements again after re-calibration.

The H3 bug

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DHT day

DHT in excess

We met yesterday at Andy Evan’s with our friend Tony for an interesting set of tests. Firstly we looked at measuring Andy’s 4P1L SE and PSE amplifiers:

4P1L SE LL1682: a great sounding amp overall which sounded as well as it measured. A must amplifier to listen to!
4P1L PSE (O’Netics OTs). This one particularly revealed an issue with the 4P1L driver configuration as it was running out of steam at about 2W before distortion creeped in. I think Andy will look into fixing this shortly. It also showed a slight dip above 10kHz up until 20kHz which may be attributed to the O’Netics.
4P1L PSE which I nicknamed the “Daemon” as it nearly screwed up my measurement gear due to some nasty grounding issues. We decided to give up on testing the response of this amp after this.

Andy’s speakers are Mark Audio Alpair 10s full range in some standing 23L cabinets. They do sound great with a solid bass and detailed treble. Perhaps a bit higher on the treble, but they are worth every penny.

We set the listening session to rotate the amps as well as the preamplifiers:

4P1L Siberian Gen 3
Andy’s 26 preamp, filament bias, LL1692 step down transformer and Rod Coleman regulators.
Tony’s 30sp with Rod Coleman regulators and depletion FET CCS loads
01a preamp Gen2

In my opinion, I think we can draw a conclusion to the 4P1L-4P1L-4P1L configuration. Perhaps it’s the H3 harmonic profile, but it doesn’t sound good – a bit harsh on the treble. The challenge in my view was that one 4P1L stage driver wasn’t sufficient to bring out to life in full Andy’s system. It forced the DAC to swing higher output levels and didn’t sound as good as with the preamps.

Don’t get me wrong here, all the preamps sounded great, however there were subtle differences which showed that 01a was superior in this setup. The 26 was also outstanding as expected, however the 30sp was slightly thin. The three agreed on the evaluation carried out and we concluded that 01a-4P1L-4P1L was a wining formula!

The 01a brought a level of clarity that it was superior. The piano, bass, snare drums, brass and voices we listen to in detail across various test tracks sounded with a level of detail and delicacy which was unique. This was a surprise to all, as we were expecting a system with 2 stages to be the superior combination. I wish the 4P1L could have a gain of 20! 🙂

Here are some few pictures of the messy DHTs spread around:

Andy’s HT supplies

4P1L Gen3 preamp, 01a Gen2 preamp, Tony’s 30sp preamp and Andy’s 26 preamp

Andy’s 4P1L SE Amp

What a mess on the floor!

First tests on the 01a, 4P1L preamps into Andy’s 4P1L SE Amp

wiring 01a, Slagle’s AVC and 4P1L Preamp into Andy’s 4P1L SE

Andy’s 4P1L PSE

Andy’s 4P1L PSE a.k.a “The daemon”

Thanks Andy for hosting a great day.

Here are Andy’s impressions posted in DIYAudio of our great experience testing the preamps and the 4P1L SE and PSE amplifiers:

“I had a very interesting day today with Ale Moglia and a friend of ours, Tony. We auditioned 4 line stages. Amp was a PSE 4P1L, with 4P1L input (plate choke and FT-3 coupling cap). Speakers were Mark Audio Alpair 10s. Full range, 23 litre infinite baffles. We placed them in this rank order:
1. Ale’s 01A
2. 26 into LL1692A stepdown
3. Ale’s 4P1L
4. 30sp

All DHTs and all sounded good – quite alike in having that DHT sound. I think they were all filament bias. Ale’s 4P1L line stage might have suffered from going into two more stages of 4P1L so may be better into a different amp. In that sense it may not be a definitive test, so the jury is out on that. We have known from past experiments that 3 4P1L stages in a row just don’t sound that good.

The 26 preamp was predictably nice, sweet and detailed. Audibly better than 30sp. Just a bit better in this context than Ale’s 4P1L but not far away.

The star without any doubt was Ale’s 01A preamp. It was just stunning. Quite magical. So if it’s a question of building a line stage, this to my ears supersedes the 4P1L. I never expected this – I’ve built 01A preamps in the past, but this is a very clever circuit. you can find it here:

01a Preamp (Gen2) | Bartola Valves

I do urge you to look seriously at this design. It’s a bit special. It was the only one of the 4 we auditioned that actually sounded better in the system than without it. There is enough gain with just the 2 4P1L stages in the amplifier, which I usually drive straight out of a ES9023 DAC. But adding this stage was a better sound. I never expect 3 stages to sound better than 2, but this did.”

(Andy Evans)

813 triode SE with 4P1L Pentode

A monster DHT amp

Lately I haven’t had any time for audio work unfortunately. Changing nappies to a 4 week old baby whilst working long hours is tough. I can get the odd 30 minute here and there and every time I try to get upstairs to the workshop something pops up. Never mind, hopefully things will get easier in the near future.

I’ve been asked about the 4P1L pentode driver. It’s been a long time since I did those tests and never got around to listen to the driver sound. Tests were promising but never managed to include this driver on my amp.

Driving transmitting valves is a challenging task. Especially if we want to take them to A2-land (unless they operate in A2 whilst in zero grid bias). Driving big transmitting valves like 211, 805, 845, 813 or GM-70 require a large swing of volts for the driver which should do this linearly. The load is quite demanding in particular when we approach the grid to 0V (or biased positively) and using a triode as driver also puts a daunting task to the previous stage due to the Miller effect. It’s not easy to find triodes that can swing 300Vpp with very low distortion.

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Robustiano (V0.7)

Hacked a simple PCB to build the follower to drive the 4P1L as suggested by Rod. I had to play with the LND150 setting resistor (R4) to achieve the 2mA of idle current. I ended up biasing the 4P1L rather hot at about 11.5W which exceeds the specs. The Q2 VBE was not possible to measure as the Q2 would oscillate I guess when I place the tester lead on Q1 collector and the voltage seems to drop when I try to measure it. Should have added a ferrite bead:

When measuring distortion against frequency, I was keen to see that the follower provided some impact in reducing the HF distortion. For example at 20kHz, THD reduced from 0.96% to 0.59% @1W output power and from 7.84% to 3.52%, that is close to half the distortion I had before:

What is nice to see now is the effect of the follower providing sufficient source current to the 4P1L grid. Above 2.5W, the grid current kicks in and we can see how “Robustiano” can deliver 3W at less than 1% until starts to clip about 3.5W:

I found that if I were to reduce the Rf further and therefore increasing the collector current but obviously exceeding the 4P1L power dissipation too much as collector current was about 45-48mA, the distortion at 20kHz falls significantly. I suspect I should increase the collector current to enable better drive of Q2 due to its Cib (30pF). To keep the current feedback arrangement this could be done by reducing the negative emitter voltage source (V1). Should try this I guess…

Cheers

Ale

4P1L – LL2746 driver test

After a recent discussion in the DYI Audio forum about the 4P1L drivers, I decided to do some quick tests on an idea I had around to use a step up transformer (1:4) – 4P1L and step up interstage transformer (1:2) to drive a 300B or similar using the 4P1L in filament bias.

First suspicion is on whether the 4P1L has the grunt to drive a capacitive load which would be a real challenge in a 1:2 step up as load capacitance is multiplied by 4 when impedance is reduced by a factor of N^2=4.

I built a test rig with the 4P1L in filament bias using a 15Ω wire-wound filament resistor and connected the filaments in parallel to obtain easily a nice bias voltage with 650mA of filament current. Also lower Rf will improve the low frequency response as helps keeping low the output impedance:

The valve was biased at Ia=30mA / Va=160V and grid bias is about -10.2V. A 10KΩ resistor was added as a primary Zobel as per recommendation of the datasheet. Then it was replaced by a 25kΩ potentiometer (P1) and the right value was found by looking at the frequency response.

Initial tests showed a very good response at 1kHz with only 0.24% THD @200Vpp output. The gain is approximately 16. The mu of the 4P1L with paralleled filaments is around 8 and lower than when used in series which is approximately 9-10. Albeit the results were promising initially, the real test of this stage is by looking at high frequency response where the capacitance will makes it real pain.

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814 SE A2 Amplifier

Goodbye 4-65a SE, at least for now

After enjoying the 4-65a SE amplifier for many months, I couldn’t resist myself from upgrading the output stage to the 814s. I just needed changing sockets and filament raw supply transformers to fit the requirements of this lovely transmitting valve. Needless to say, my recent tests on 814s were very encouraging. The 814 seemed to perform much better than the 4-65a in delivering 10W of class A2 sound at half the distortion levels. This to me, was only worth trying.

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4-65a SE Amp: testing it finally!

The much-awaited moment finally arrived. After yesterday’s driver tests, I did a lot of work this morning to assemble cables and test the output stage. What I clearly know now is that I won’t be needing any heating this winter! What on earth was on my mind when I decided to build this amp? God only knows…

Here are some pictures of the first tests in the workshop and then when I hooked it up to my system downstairs in the sitting room:

26 preamp and 4-65a SE Amp just before testing

Burning in the 4-65a!

Setting output bias

Measuring output

I did a quick measurement of the output THD without burning in the 4-65a or the amp. The operating point is not optimised but clearly shows a nice picture. First of all, the amp is absolutely quiet. The Rod Coleman regulators plus the extensive filtering on all supplies (LCLC and CLCLC) make this the quietest amp I’ve ever made! The distortion is higher than predicted. With the valves at 100mA/540V and with a non-inductive resistor load of 10Ω, the THD is about 2.7% for nearly 6W of pure class A power. Only 4% of the harmonic content is H3 and with a nice H2 component. The footprint of an SE amp is clearly on this amp.

Hooked it downstairs and after a lot of wiring I finally got to play some good records on this amp. I used my 26 DHT preamp. First record to be played was “a love supreme” (John Coltrane). Here are my impressions so far:

I’m surprised with the bass. It is powerful and not something I was used to in a single ended amp
Definitely needs some burn-in time. The amp improved after 1 hour of use
It’s loud! You can get 10W easily in class A2. Very loud for my room!
The tone is warm and very sweet. you get the sound of the DHT clearly
Dynamics are its forte. This amp responds very well to them

Some more pictures:

4-65a Amp finished

Cherry red anode!

First time up

A power supply madness!

Input transformers and 46 drivers

Now is time for proper listening after so much work. A real accomplishment and I’m feeling very proud. The amp fits within my cabinet so wife is happy 🙂

4-65a SE Amp: first driver test

After completing the last power supply, I finally did some real tests on the 4-65A SE amplifier. Given the DC coupled design it is a bit tricky to do the initial calibration. I had to set the operating point of both 46 DHTs by adjusting the anode voltage through the individual gyrator load presets. Also had to balance at the same time the Salas Shunt current and output voltage to the desired levels. After playing a while with it I managed to stabilise the Salas shunt regulator.

Set the 46 to drive the output stage to 200Vpp with a 3.7Vpp (1.33Vrms) input. That is a gain of approximately 54. Here is the distortion profile:

Breadboard is really quiet with the 50 and 100Hz noise below -95dB. It’s great to see the nice 46 Super Silvertone performing only 0.09% at 200V peak to peak!

Results are promising, just need final tweaks to 600V supply and then hook the 4-65a!

Ale