All about electronic valves and hi-fi
We’re constantly obsessed to get the most out of our lives. Not a product of the capitalist world we live in, but a fact of our human nature. Its evolution.
When it comes to sonic power, unfortunately we are not too distance from this thought. We want more Watts. Yes, pure power. My generation back in the 80s got misled by the audio product marketing and their unrealistic metrics (e.g. PMPO) to fudge the real power of a solid state amplifier.
Thanks to the great feedback from 45, we found out that I made a mistake in modelling the LL1682 OT in my previous post. In a nutshell, I was getting half of the power, doh!
I should have started from scratch, looking at the push-pull curves and estimating at least the A1 power from a pair of 6C4C in push-pull. So following the B.J. Thomson method plotted the curves in push-pull:
I love the sweetness of my 45 SE amplifier, but you know what? A great push-pull (PP) amp has a fantastic presence, bass and dynamic response. Whenever I listen to a good PP amp, I get to the conclusion that I need to have different amps ready to be played depending to the music I want to listen to! My last two years have been devoted to what Morgan Jones calls in his book “single-ended madness”. And yes, my 4-65a SE in class A2 is slowly coming to life and when ready so then I will be properly mad.
6C4C amps I listened so far made a great impression both in SE and in PP. Owning all components required, I embarked on refining a full DHT push-pull design and again, cap-less (excluding the power supplies of course).
Rod Coleman came up with a brilliant design recently which baptised as “shunt cascode” driver. For those who cannot stand a pinch of sand in their circuits, I suggest you skip this post now. This hybrid circuit is actually a folded cascode if we consider the book terminology. What makes attractive of this design is its outstanding performance against the classic multistage designs aimed at achieving a large drive signal for output stages such as 300B, 6C4C/2A3, etc. I personally haven’t build it yet but according to Rod the sound is superb.
Before building a stage which will replace my current 45 SE driver, I thought it made sense to analyse the circuit and understand why is claimed to be such a great alternative for today’s designs.
For DHT single-ended (SE) topology, I have to admit that I reached to the conclusion that in my opinion either 6C4C or 4P1L are the way forward in terms of sound and cost after not being happy with the option of running the 45 in A2 mode. Both 4P1L and 6C4C sound lovely in SE despite many will say the 300B is unbeatable. Yes, won’t say a ridiculously thing such as 6C4 or 4P1L are the “best DHTs”. We all know that there are many great DHTs out there, but at a cost. Well, if cost is not a problem for you, you can chose great NOS valves from PX4, 50, 300B to 813 or 845. The latter comes with a hidden price: the power supply. I’ve been there as I’m building the 4-65a SE and most of the budget is used in the power supplies. Sound-wise, we did a side-by-side listening tests on many SE and PSE amplifiers and couldn’t find a significant different between 4P1L PSE and 300B stages. This could easily end up in loosing the tangent and falling into an endless debate about topologies, OT, driver-output stage combinations, bla, bla, bla, but in reality you can’t beat a 4P1L PSE in terms of cost and bias flexibility (i.e. you can easily get 5W from a pair of 4P1L as we will see later). I wish I could achieve the output power I like (i.e. 3W) with a 45. A 45 in push-pull is then very attractive but I haven’t listened (or build) it yet.
I have a very decent stash of both 4P1L and 6C4C, so obviously I will be inclined to get the most out of these ladies rather than continuing burning money on other NOS valves . If you are still reading this is simply because you have (or at least considering buying) 4P1Ls or 6C4Cs and you want to build a good amplifier with them.
So how much power can you get out of the 4P1L? Anatoliy did his own tests and was very pleased with the results in terms of sound. I haven’t run the 4P1L in A2 yet but here it would look like in A2:
You can get clean 5W from a pair of 4P1L running at 50mA (each) and biased at 200V. The driving requirements are only 50Vpp and we can see in the diagram above that the positive grid excursion is to just over 10-12V. Obviously the right driver needs to be used to provide the necessary grid current in A2 and also withstand the changes in grid impedance when transitioning from A1 (high impedance) into A2 (low impedance) with minimum distortion.
I don’t currently have an 2K5Ω OT gapped at 100mA, so won’t be looking at running a 4P1L PSE in A2 like this.
Instead, I have a pair of LL1623/60mA which can provide a varied set of transformation ratios: 5K6Ω, 3KΩ and 1K6Ω.
With this OT I could then easily get 2-3W out from a 6C4C or 4P1L PSE as we shall see looking at the loadlines.
Andy Evans and myself have been experimenting with the 4P1L extensively. No one will argue that the 4P1L is a cracking valve. It’s very linear, has low anode resistance and its filament is not demanding, so it can be easily used in filament bias. Similarly, pairs are very easy to match, is still cheap and a pair of them can performa as well as a 2A3 at a fraction of its cost.
In one of the listening tests we did at Andy’s I found that a 100% 4P1L system (i.e. pre-amp, driver and output valve) had something missing in its tone. Perhaps is the clarity and neutrality of the 4P1L, but definitely I’d add a warmer valve somewhere in the signal path.
I’ve been toying with the idea of upgrading my 45 at some point or at least provide some way of testing several combinations of output valves. To me, I’d rather implement filament bias but in most of the cases is not possible due to the filament demands. 4P1L in PSE can be easily achieved in filament bias. I did some tests recently, with outstanding results. Ultra-path could be an option, but of course will demand more attention to the HT supply filtering. Fixed bias on the other hand, proved to be very effective, but yet requires a low noise bias. Rod Coleman suggested recently to use his filament regulator boards to provide a very low noise and stable bias by means of providing a stable and low noise current through a bias resistor. A very simple and neat concept which is shown in my early design for this SE or PSE amplifier:
4P1L as a driver is a great choice. Firstly, it can be easily implemented with filament bias, so no nasty capacitors are required. I’ve got a pair of LL1671/20mA which can provide a great 1:1 coupling whilst reducing the HT requirements of the driver stage. 4P1L running at Ia=20mA, Va=243V, Vgk=-17V can drive easily the 6C4C into clipping. R5 performs as the bias resistor for the output valve. The CCS3 regulator is set to about 0.95mA to develop about -44V across the resistor. As there will be no DC current flowing across the secondary there will be no voltage drop and the valve will be biased accordingly. The current meter will allow us to track any bias drift and re-adjust when needed. The 6C4C will be biased at Ia=60mA and Vak=250V. The output transformer is the LL1623/60mA which can be configured for multiple impedance requirements: 5K6, 3K and 1K6. This will allow me some flexibility in the output stage when testing other combinations.
The same circuit can be easily adjusted to fit the 4P1L PSE output stage:
A pair of 4P1L can replace the 6C4C biased at Vak=250V, Ia=30mA and Vgk=-20V. The bias resistor (R7) has to be changed to 20K to allow the 20V bias voltage requirement. No further changes to the circuit are needed with the exception of the CCS2 that needs to be adjusted to fit the 1.3A (2x650mA) required by the filaments.
Merry Christmas!
After listening to a great incarnation of the 4P1L PSE in filament bias output stage from Andy Evans, I decided to have a look at the impact of unmatched pairs of triodes from a distortion point of view. Main reason was that when listening to Andy’s amplifier I noticed a bit of an uncomfortable treble with some strings. Perhaps the increase of odd harmonics, but wanted at least to see what was all about.
4P1L are very easy to match. you can easily get a pair with equal mu. Just randomly I picked from my collection a pair of valves with a difference of 0.5 in mu.:
THD is about 0.03% mainly driven by H2. It happened that one 4P1L from the pair had 0.02% where the other had nearly 0.04% distortion. The difference between H3 and H2 is about 8dB.
Then looked at a more closely matched pair (0.03 mu difference). The distortion wasn’t surprisingly different:
Again, nearly 0.03% and difference between H2 and H3 is down to 7.5dB.
Looking at the individual performance of the 4P1L, now biased at 30mA and similar anode voltage, we can see that despite having a lower THD, the difference between harmonics is just 5dB. This is the THD of the other 4P1L from the pair:
Well, how rthis compares to a 2a3/6C4C? The latter valves are two triodes physically connected in parallel inside the same envelope. So, no matching can be done:
The previous was a low distortion 6C4C I have. Distortion is higher than 4P1L PSE, but not that much. H3 – H2 difference is about 12dB.
My early thoughts: