{"id":8867,"date":"2020-09-27T16:36:33","date_gmt":"2020-09-27T15:36:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=8867"},"modified":"2020-09-27T16:36:33","modified_gmt":"2020-09-27T15:36:33","slug":"rl12p35-se-amp-part-i","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2020\/09\/27\/rl12p35-se-amp-part-i\/","title":{"rendered":"RL12P35 SE Amp &#8211; part I"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have plenty of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2016\/05\/29\/rl12p35-german-transmitting-pentodes\/\">these<\/a> German WWII pentodes. I&#8217;ve been saving them for a few projects. Quite likely for a push-pull amp given the OB speaker project I&#8217;m cooking. Either way, I have a nice set of CFB SE as well as PP OPTs from Toroidy custom made. They are very good transformers.<\/p>\n<p>So, if you want a simple SE amplifier that can do 8W, here is a good contraption to go after:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8868\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2020\/09\/27\/rl12p35-se-amp-part-i\/rl12p35-se-cfb-amp\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?fit=1405%2C1431&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1405,1431\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"RL12P35 SE CFB Amp\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?fit=840%2C856&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-8868\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?resize=840%2C856&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"856\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?resize=1005%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1005w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?resize=295%2C300&amp;ssl=1 295w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?resize=768%2C782&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?resize=1200%2C1222&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-CFB-Amp.jpg?w=1405&amp;ssl=1 1405w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><!--more-->The OPT has a couple of feedback windings to provide 10% CFB. I set the valve rather hot, I know. Probably a tad too much. Should be 35W maximum. You can do GU-50 here and get more power, cheap and easy.<\/p>\n<p>The driver is a gem. The EF184 is a superb pentode when triode-strapped. Can do very well on the same levels of a D3a and is (yet) somehow still cheaper. Cathode degeneration plays well and easy here in the hybrid mu-follower.<\/p>\n<p>Some people would say: &#8220;pentode and cathode feedback, arghh!!&#8221;. Trust me, good path down this way when feedback is local of course.<\/p>\n<p>Although the stage can do 8W and THD will jump up to 2.9% is nice to see the triode-like harmonic distribution. Here is the view at 1W:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8869\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2020\/09\/27\/rl12p35-se-amp-part-i\/rl12p35-se-5k-cfb-test-03-1w\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?fit=1336%2C380&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1336,380\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"RL12P35 SE 5K CFB test 03 1W\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?fit=840%2C239&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-8869\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?resize=840%2C239&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"239\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?resize=1024%2C291&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?resize=300%2C85&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?resize=768%2C218&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?resize=1200%2C341&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-03-1W.png?w=1336&amp;ssl=1 1336w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a>If you push the output stage to its limits, you will get this:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_8870\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8870\" style=\"width: 840px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8870\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2020\/09\/27\/rl12p35-se-amp-part-i\/rl12p35-se-5k-cfb-test-02-8w\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?fit=1338%2C379&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1338,379\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"RL12P35 SE 5K CFB test 02 8W\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;RLP1235 @ 8W output&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?fit=840%2C238&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-large wp-image-8870\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?resize=840%2C238&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"238\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?resize=1024%2C290&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?resize=300%2C85&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?resize=768%2C218&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?resize=1200%2C340&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/RL12P35-SE-5K-CFB-test-02-8W.png?w=1338&amp;ssl=1 1338w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8870\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">RLP1235 @ 8W output<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Bandwidth is over 65kHz. A simple and nice amplifier. With different arrangements on feedback like plate to grid with cathode driven via a PMOS and increasing the FB ratio to 20%, you can get less than 1% at 7W output. But that&#8217;s a rather more complex amplifier. This is simpler.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have plenty of these German WWII pentodes. I&#8217;ve been saving them for a few projects. Quite likely for a push-pull amp given the OB speaker project I&#8217;m cooking. Either way, I have a nice set of CFB SE as well as PP OPTs from Toroidy custom made. They are very good transformers. So, if &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2020\/09\/27\/rl12p35-se-amp-part-i\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;RL12P35 SE Amp &#8211; part I&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[158,5],"tags":[1374,1376,1375,96,1377,913],"class_list":["post-8867","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-se-designs","category-valves","tag-cathode-feedback-se-ampliifier","tag-cfb","tag-cfb-se","tag-ef184","tag-ef184-triode","tag-rl12p35"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-2j1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8867","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8867"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8867\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8871,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8867\/revisions\/8871"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8867"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8867"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8867"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}