{"id":6523,"date":"2017-06-25T14:05:43","date_gmt":"2017-06-25T13:05:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=6523"},"modified":"2017-07-08T07:53:32","modified_gmt":"2017-07-08T06:53:32","slug":"4p1l-4%d0%bf1%d0%bb-siberian-gen4-dht-preamplifier","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2017\/06\/25\/4p1l-4%d0%bf1%d0%bb-siberian-gen4-dht-preamplifier\/","title":{"rendered":"4P1L (4\u041f1\u041b) Siberian Gen4 &#8211; DHT Preamplifier"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>The return of the Siberian<\/h2>\n<p>After trying out so many DHTs and pre-amplifiers, I decided to wire up my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2014\/04\/21\/4p1l-dht-preamp-siberian-gen3-finished\/\">4P1L preamplifier Gen3<\/a> and fit the<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/for-sale\/gyrator-pcb\/\"> gyrator board<\/a> to drive my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2017\/02\/05\/4p1l-pse-amp-finished\/\">4P1L PSE Amplifier.<\/a>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I have a pair of 4P1L\/4\u041f1\u041b dated 1968 which are properly burnt in. I&#8217;ve used them lately in my previous preamp incarnation with great results.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The circuit doesn&#8217;t need explanation, I think I&#8217;ve covered this repeatedly for a long time. &nbsp;I will only point out the differences:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"6524\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2017\/06\/25\/4p1l-4%d0%bf1%d0%bb-siberian-gen4-dht-preamplifier\/4p1l-siberian-gen4\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4.jpg?fit=1504%2C1461&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1504,1461\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;Ale&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1498395897&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"4P1L Siberian Gen4\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4.jpg?fit=840%2C816&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-large wp-image-6524 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-1024x995.jpg?resize=525%2C510\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"510\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4.jpg?resize=1024%2C995&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4.jpg?resize=300%2C291&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4.jpg?resize=768%2C746&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4.jpg?w=1504&amp;ssl=1 1504w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 85vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The main change was fitting a pair of Russian wirewound 27\u03a9 resistors in parallel to get closer to the 15\u03a9 used in this position. I found these Russian wirewound resistors to sound extremely well as filament bias resistors. I tend to be skeptical about the &#8220;sound&#8221; of some components in circuits, however, they do make a big impact in the cathode of a filament bias arrangement.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The gyrator has my preferred combination: IXTP08N100D and BSH111BK. I have now an upgraded PCB Rev07 which fits the BSH111BK and similar FET and I will offer them shortly.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The latter benefits from the 30mA idle current. The result is lower output impedance whilst providing a great frequency response overall.<\/p>\n<p>M3 needs a proper heatsink, it does get hot with about 2W of dissipation.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>How does it perform?<\/h2>\n<p>Well, this valve has the reputation of amazing performance and low distortion. The gyrator setup provides the best out of this valve in my view. You can get a flat response as well as great bandwidht from 10Hz up to 3MHz loaded with 100k\u03a9:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-FR-2.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"6525\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2017\/06\/25\/4p1l-4%d0%bf1%d0%bb-siberian-gen4-dht-preamplifier\/4p1l-siberian-gen4-fr-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-FR-2.png?fit=1373%2C671&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1373,671\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"4P1L Siberian Gen4 FR 2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-FR-2.png?fit=840%2C410&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-large wp-image-6525 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-FR-2-1024x500.png?resize=525%2C256\" alt=\"\" width=\"525\" height=\"256\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-FR-2.png?resize=1024%2C500&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-FR-2.png?resize=300%2C147&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-FR-2.png?resize=768%2C375&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/4P1L-Siberian-Gen4-FR-2.png?w=1373&amp;ssl=1 1373w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 525px) 85vw, 525px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The distortion is very low and is lower than 0.05% below 10Vrms. Dominant H2 with a lovely harmonic profile characteristic of this valve.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>How does it sounds?<\/h2>\n<p>i&#8217;ve been listening and using this valve extensively since <a href=\"http:\/\/www.diyaudio.com\/forums\/tubes-valves\/190857-4p1l-dht-line-stage.html\">2011<\/a>. I have to say that it sounds amazing. I never get tired of its sounds. Before I listened to a 4P1L-4P1L system and found a slight edge on the sound (probably due to its H3 component) which I don&#8217;t hear on my system. The drive, clarity and tone is amazing. It can drive the 4P1L PSE perfectly well and you get a strong and clear bass. Very powerful. My +600 hours 4P1L are very quiet in this setup, no microphonic noise. I don&#8217;t have even dampers in the 4P1L sockets!<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, if you need 19dB (x9) gain in your system or you need a driver for your &nbsp;SE amp, then this is the valve to go. I Still can be found cheaply and is a great contender to the thoriated tungsten filament DHTs like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2017\/01\/15\/01a-preamp-gen2-build-complete\/\">01a<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2017\/03\/26\/vt-25-dht-preamp-update\/\">VT-25.<\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Build this one and enjoy!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The return of the Siberian After trying out so many DHTs and pre-amplifiers, I decided to wire up my 4P1L preamplifier Gen3 and fit the gyrator board to drive my 4P1L PSE Amplifier.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have a pair of 4P1L\/4\u041f1\u041b dated 1968 which are properly burnt in. I&#8217;ve used them lately in my previous preamp incarnation &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2017\/06\/25\/4p1l-4%d0%bf1%d0%bb-siberian-gen4-dht-preamplifier\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;4P1L (4\u041f1\u041b) Siberian Gen4 &#8211; DHT Preamplifier&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[911,156,158,67],"tags":[782,537,703,319,142,595,215,625,864,903,982,875,1058,1059],"class_list":["post-6523","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gyrator-pcb","category-pre-amplifier-valves","category-se-designs","category-thd","tag-4p1l","tag-4p1l-dht","tag-4p1l-dht-line-stage","tag-4p1l-gyrator","tag-4p1l-preamp","tag-4p1l-preamplifier","tag-4p1l-siberian","tag-bartola","tag-bartola-gyrator","tag-bartola-gyrator-pcb","tag-bsh111bk","tag-gyrator-pcb","tag-siberian-gen-3","tag-siberian-gen-4"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-1Hd","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6523","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6523"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6523\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6526,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6523\/revisions\/6526"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6523"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6523"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6523"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}