{"id":5106,"date":"2015-12-27T19:50:43","date_gmt":"2015-12-27T19:50:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=5106"},"modified":"2015-12-27T20:25:16","modified_gmt":"2015-12-27T20:25:16","slug":"slew-rate-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/12\/27\/slew-rate-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Slew Rate (Part 2)"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1>Get thy bearings<\/h1>\n<p>Merry Christmas to all!<\/p>\n<p>When I was still a teenager and learning saxophone I came across this wonderful version of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=3sV1orzTdEo\">&#8220;Get thy bearings&#8221; by King Crimson<\/a>. The power of the electrified alto sax &nbsp;blew me out my mind. <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ian_McDonald_(musician)\">Ian McDonald<\/a> clearly found a way to drive the saxophone there and bring a new sound to the 1969&#8217;s progressive rock. Surely he didn&#8217;t experience any of this slew rate thing \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>In my previous <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/12\/21\/slew-rate-in-preamps\/\">post<\/a>, I explored the slew rate challenge of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/01\/17\/01a-preamp-gen2-2\/\">01a preamp<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5114\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5114\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/12\/27\/slew-rate-part-2\/img_3034\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg?fit=5184%2C3456&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"5184,3456\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;5.6&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS 600D&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1450562393&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;55&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;3200&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;2&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"IMG_3034\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg?fit=840%2C560&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-5114\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034-1024x683.jpeg?resize=584%2C390\" alt=\"IMG_3034\" width=\"584\" height=\"390\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg?resize=1024%2C683&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg?resize=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg?resize=768%2C512&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg?resize=450%2C300&amp;ssl=1 450w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg?w=1680&amp;ssl=1 1680w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/IMG_3034.jpeg?w=2520&amp;ssl=1 2520w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><!--more-->The first workaround was the output follower as shown in the below diagram:<\/p>\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_5107\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5107\" style=\"width: 584px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5107\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5107\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/12\/27\/slew-rate-part-2\/01a-preamp-tony-with-follower\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower.png?fit=1238%2C783&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1238,783\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"01a Preamp Tony with Follower\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower.png?fit=840%2C532&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-5107 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower-1024x648.png?resize=584%2C370\" alt=\"01a Preamp Tony with Follower\" width=\"584\" height=\"370\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower.png?resize=1024%2C648&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower.png?resize=300%2C190&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower.png?resize=768%2C486&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower.png?resize=474%2C300&amp;ssl=1 474w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-Follower.png?w=1238&amp;ssl=1 1238w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5107\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">01a Preamp with MOSFET follower<\/figcaption><\/figure>The MOSFET follower can be any one of your choice, either depletion or enhancement types. I use the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.st.com\/st-web-ui\/static\/active\/en\/resource\/technical\/document\/datasheet\/CD00003099.pdf\">STP3NK60ZFP<\/a>&nbsp;which has a small reverse capacitance (Crss) of 8pF and is a handy plastic TO-220 device which can handle 600V. &nbsp;It also comes with input protection diodes which is very handy. &nbsp;Of course you can use what you have at hand.<\/p>\n<p>The second option here is to add a sink CCS to provide the current needed to charge or discharge the load capacitance as we discussed in my previous post. A simple DN2540 CCS can be added to sink 10mA but we will also need to change the lower jFET to a BF862 which can handle higher currents. A J310 can also work here but the BF862 (albeit SMD) can be easily obtainable these days and is a better device overall. The other minor point to bear in mind is the top MOSFET (M1) will need a small heatsink:<\/p>\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_5108\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5108\" style=\"width: 584px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5108\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5108\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/12\/27\/slew-rate-part-2\/01a-preamp-tony-with-ccs\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS.png?fit=1151%2C740&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1151,740\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"01a Preamp Tony with CCS\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS.png?fit=840%2C540&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-5108 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS-1024x658.png?resize=584%2C375\" alt=\"01a Preamp Tony with CCS\" width=\"584\" height=\"375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS.png?resize=1024%2C658&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS.png?resize=300%2C193&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS.png?resize=768%2C494&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS.png?resize=467%2C300&amp;ssl=1 467w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS.png?w=1151&amp;ssl=1 1151w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5108\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">01a preamp with sink CCS<\/figcaption><\/figure>The &nbsp;performance of this circuit can be seen below. The output swinging at 10V peak to peak into a 2,000pF load will need 2.4mA peak of current at 20kHz. The 2,000pF presents an impedance lower thank 4K\u03a9 to the hybrid mu-follower:<\/p>\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_5109\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5109\" style=\"width: 671px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS-signals.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5109\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5109\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/12\/27\/slew-rate-part-2\/01a-preamp-tony-with-ccs-signals\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS-signals.png?fit=671%2C358&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"671,358\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"01a Preamp Tony with CCS-signals\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS-signals.png?fit=671%2C358&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-5109 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS-signals.png?resize=671%2C358\" alt=\"01a Preamp Tony with CCS-signals\" width=\"671\" height=\"358\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS-signals.png?w=671&amp;ssl=1 671w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS-signals.png?resize=300%2C160&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/01a-Preamp-Tony-with-CCS-signals.png?resize=500%2C267&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5109\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Top FET drain current, output current to load and output voltage of 01a preamp<\/figcaption><\/figure>The interesting point to highlight here is that despite the CCS sinks 10mA, it&#8217;s a stiff CCS and in AC it will only swing 200\u03bcA at 20kHZ\/20Vpp. The burden is still on the follower:<\/p>\n<p><figure id=\"attachment_5112\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5112\" style=\"width: 826px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Slew-rate-analysis-1.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5112\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"5112\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/12\/27\/slew-rate-part-2\/slew-rate-analysis-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Slew-rate-analysis-1.png?fit=826%2C439&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"826,439\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Slew rate analysis\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Slew-rate-analysis-1.png?fit=826%2C439&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-5112 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Slew-rate-analysis-1.png?resize=826%2C439\" alt=\"Slew rate analysis\" width=\"826\" height=\"439\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Slew-rate-analysis-1.png?w=826&amp;ssl=1 826w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Slew-rate-analysis-1.png?resize=300%2C159&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Slew-rate-analysis-1.png?resize=768%2C408&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Slew-rate-analysis-1.png?resize=500%2C266&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5112\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Slew Rate evidence<\/figcaption><\/figure>The sink CCS helps here but not much above 10kHz which cannot match the performance of the isolation provided by the follower. However, it&#8217;d be interesting to listen to both options. The sink CCS is likely to be less audible (if any of them are) than the FET follower. I have implemented the FET follower in the past with great success so I can bet that either option is good here.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Get thy bearings Merry Christmas to all! When I was still a teenager and learning saxophone I came across this wonderful version of &#8220;Get thy bearings&#8221; by King Crimson. The power of the electrified alto sax &nbsp;blew me out my mind. Ian McDonald clearly found a way to drive the saxophone there and bring a &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/12\/27\/slew-rate-part-2\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Slew Rate (Part 2)&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[156,67,5],"tags":[309,653,833,834],"class_list":["post-5106","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-pre-amplifier-valves","category-thd","category-valves","tag-01a-preamp","tag-01a-preamp-gen2","tag-slew-rate","tag-slew-rate-in-valve-amps"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-1km","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5106","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5106"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5106\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5119,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5106\/revisions\/5119"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5106"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5106"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5106"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}