{"id":4623,"date":"2015-05-10T20:50:47","date_gmt":"2015-05-10T19:50:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=4623"},"modified":"2015-05-10T20:50:47","modified_gmt":"2015-05-10T19:50:47","slug":"6p15p-triode-strapped-models","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/05\/10\/6p15p-triode-strapped-models\/","title":{"rendered":"6P15P triode strapped models"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been playing lately with the 6P15P. Also I have developed several spice models of these <a href=\"http:\/\/www.klausmobile.narod.ru\/testerfiles\/el_clones.htm\">Russian clones <\/a>which I will be publishing shortly when I get the time to do the proper write up.<\/p>\n<p>I use Dmitry&#8217;s Paint_kit tool a lot. It&#8217;s very good and accurate once you learn how to use it. It&#8217;s not easy to match triodes first time as many variables are in play. After working with Derk Reefman on the pentode models, I noticed a slight divergence on his triode models. Derk suggested that the best was to use the triode-strapped pentode for this. Here is a simple comparison between Dmitry&#8217;s model and Derk&#8217;s:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4625\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4625\" style=\"width: 728px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparsion.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4625\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/05\/10\/6p15p-triode-strapped-models\/6p15p-triode-model-comparsion\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparsion.png?fit=728%2C433&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"728,433\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"6P15P triode model comparsion\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparsion.png?fit=728%2C433&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-4625 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparsion.png?resize=728%2C433\" alt=\"6P15P triode model comparsion\" width=\"728\" height=\"433\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparsion.png?w=728&amp;ssl=1 728w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparsion.png?resize=300%2C178&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparsion.png?resize=500%2C297&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4625\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Derk and Dmitry&#8217;s models under test<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->The triode curves below are taken from a NOS 6P15P which tested over 105%:<a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/error-whilst-testing-6P15P-test-ok.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4627\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/05\/10\/6p15p-triode-strapped-models\/error-whilst-testing-6p15p-test-ok\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/error-whilst-testing-6P15P-test-ok.png?fit=864%2C442&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"864,442\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"error whilst testing 6P15P &amp;#8211; test ok\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/error-whilst-testing-6P15P-test-ok.png?fit=840%2C430&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-4627\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/error-whilst-testing-6P15P-test-ok.png?resize=840%2C430\" alt=\"error whilst testing 6P15P - test ok\" width=\"840\" height=\"430\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/error-whilst-testing-6P15P-test-ok.png?w=864&amp;ssl=1 864w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/error-whilst-testing-6P15P-test-ok.png?resize=300%2C153&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/error-whilst-testing-6P15P-test-ok.png?resize=500%2C256&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4626\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4626\" style=\"width: 984px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-Spice-Model-v2.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4626\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/05\/10\/6p15p-triode-strapped-models\/6p15p-triode-spice-model-v2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-Spice-Model-v2.png?fit=984%2C640&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"984,640\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"6P15P triode Spice Model v2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-Spice-Model-v2.png?fit=840%2C546&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-4626 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-Spice-Model-v2.png?resize=840%2C546\" alt=\"6P15P triode Spice Model v2\" width=\"840\" height=\"546\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-Spice-Model-v2.png?w=984&amp;ssl=1 984w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-Spice-Model-v2.png?resize=300%2C195&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-Spice-Model-v2.png?resize=461%2C300&amp;ssl=1 461w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4626\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dmitry&#8217;s model developed using Paint_kit tool<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Here is the comparison of the two Spice models:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparison.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4624\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/05\/10\/6p15p-triode-strapped-models\/6p15p-triode-model-comparison\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparison.png?fit=555%2C470&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"555,470\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"6P15P triode model comparison\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparison.png?fit=555%2C470&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-4624 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparison.png?resize=555%2C470\" alt=\"6P15P triode model comparison\" width=\"555\" height=\"470\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparison.png?w=555&amp;ssl=1 555w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparison.png?resize=300%2C254&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/6P15P-triode-model-comparison.png?resize=354%2C300&amp;ssl=1 354w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 555px) 85vw, 555px\" \/><\/a> They do match very well. There is a slight missalignment at very low current (cut-off) region or saturation region (e.g. anode current above 100mA. These are operating areas where you will never use the 6P15P so no problems. I can conclude that both models are very accurate and you could use Derk&#8217;s pentode triode strapped in Spice without any issues.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been playing lately with the 6P15P. Also I have developed several spice models of these Russian clones which I will be publishing shortly when I get the time to do the proper write up. I use Dmitry&#8217;s Paint_kit tool a lot. It&#8217;s very good and accurate once you learn how to use it. It&#8217;s &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/05\/10\/6p15p-triode-strapped-models\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;6P15P triode strapped models&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[530,5],"tags":[716,340,643,290],"class_list":["post-4623","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-components","category-valves","tag-6p15p","tag-6p15p-triode","tag-derk-reefman-model","tag-dmitry-spice-model"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-1cz","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4623","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4623"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4623\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4628,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4623\/revisions\/4628"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4623"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4623"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4623"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}