{"id":4468,"date":"2015-03-15T15:09:33","date_gmt":"2015-03-15T15:09:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=4468"},"modified":"2015-03-15T15:09:33","modified_gmt":"2015-03-15T15:09:33","slug":"pl84-triode","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/03\/15\/pl84-triode\/","title":{"rendered":"PL84 triode"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/TV-Roehre-PL84-Telefunken-m-Raute-ID1497-1497.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4469\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/03\/15\/pl84-triode\/tv-roehre-pl84-telefunken-m-raute-id1497-1497\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/TV-Roehre-PL84-Telefunken-m-Raute-ID1497-1497.jpg?fit=284%2C1000&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"284,1000\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"TV-Roehre-PL84-Telefunken-m&amp;#8211;Raute-ID1497-1497\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/TV-Roehre-PL84-Telefunken-m-Raute-ID1497-1497.jpg?fit=284%2C1000&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft  wp-image-4469\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/TV-Roehre-PL84-Telefunken-m-Raute-ID1497-1497.jpg?resize=110%2C376\" alt=\"TV-Roehre-PL84-Telefunken-m--Raute-ID1497-1497\" width=\"110\" height=\"376\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mif.pg.gda.pl\/homepages\/frank\/sheets\/030\/p\/PL84.pdf\">PL84<\/a> pentode is very well known out there. I&#8217;m not going to write about it as there is plenty of information about the use of this pentode in push-pull amps, etc as well as comparisons with the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mif.pg.gda.pl\/homepages\/frank\/sheets\/010\/e\/EL84.pdf\">EL84<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mif.pg.gda.pl\/homepages\/frank\/sheets\/010\/e\/EL86.pdf\">EL86<\/a> and Russian equivalents such as <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mif.pg.gda.pl\/homepages\/frank\/sheets\/113\/6\/6P14P.pdf\">6P14P<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mif.pg.gda.pl\/homepages\/frank\/sheets\/113\/6\/6P15P.pdf\">6P15P<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gstube.com\/data\/625\/\">6P43P<\/a>. I recommend you to check Klau&#8217;s work <a href=\"http:\/\/www.klausmobile.narod.ru\/testerfiles\/el_clones.htm\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I have a nice set of Telefunken PL84 which I may be using in triode mode as part of a Spud project I&#8217;ve been working on the design for some time. I&#8217;m interested in triode-strapped curves but also will be looking at tracing the Schade-feedback curves when I get the time to do so.<\/p>\n<p>I quickly found a sample valve that was close to the pentode specs at 90%. Good enough for my purpose so I proceed to trace the triode curves quickly in uTracer.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I should have traced the curves\u00a0beyond\u00a0200V, but the 6 curves traced are good enough to generate an accurate triode model. A different story is developing a pentode\/tetrode model as you may be aware of.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-triode.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4470\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/03\/15\/pl84-triode\/pl84-triode\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-triode.png?fit=544%2C528&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"544,528\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"PL84-triode\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-triode.png?fit=544%2C528&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-4470\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-triode.png?resize=544%2C528\" alt=\"PL84-triode\" width=\"544\" height=\"528\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-triode.png?w=544&amp;ssl=1 544w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-triode.png?resize=300%2C291&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-triode.png?resize=309%2C300&amp;ssl=1 309w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-triode.png?resize=50%2C50&amp;ssl=1 50w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 544px) 85vw, 544px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The triode model can be easily generated:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84triodemodel.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4471\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/03\/15\/pl84-triode\/pl84triodemodel\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84triodemodel.png?fit=1125%2C636&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1125,636\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"PL84triodemodel\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84triodemodel.png?fit=840%2C475&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-4471\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84triodemodel.png?resize=840%2C475\" alt=\"PL84triodemodel\" width=\"840\" height=\"475\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84triodemodel.png?w=1125&amp;ssl=1 1125w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84triodemodel.png?resize=300%2C170&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84triodemodel.png?resize=1024%2C579&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84triodemodel.png?resize=500%2C283&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a>The spice <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Pl84-triode-spice.txt\">Pl84-triode-spice <\/a>model\u00a0is very accurate. \u00a0The only disadvantage of this valve is the maximum 250V anode voltage which limits the available output power in a push-pull design compared to other similar valves like 6P14P, etc.<\/p>\n<p>With a 5K Zaa transformer you can get 7W in class A1 with a distortion a bit higher compared to 6P15P but not that much:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-PP-Zaa5K-A1-7W.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4474\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/03\/15\/pl84-triode\/pl84-pp-zaa5k-a1-7w\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-PP-Zaa5K-A1-7W.png?fit=1324%2C641&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1324,641\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"PL84 PP Zaa=5K A1 7W\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-PP-Zaa5K-A1-7W.png?fit=840%2C407&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-4474\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-PP-Zaa5K-A1-7W.png?resize=840%2C407\" alt=\"PL84 PP Zaa=5K A1 7W\" width=\"840\" height=\"407\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-PP-Zaa5K-A1-7W.png?w=1324&amp;ssl=1 1324w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-PP-Zaa5K-A1-7W.png?resize=300%2C145&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-PP-Zaa5K-A1-7W.png?resize=1024%2C496&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-PP-Zaa5K-A1-7W.png?resize=500%2C242&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>An extra 1.5W can be obtained if we use a 3K transformer instead:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-Zaa3K-A1-8.5W.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"4475\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/03\/15\/pl84-triode\/pl84-zaa3k-a1-8-5w\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-Zaa3K-A1-8.5W.png?fit=1321%2C642&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1321,642\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"PL84 Zaa=3K A1 8.5W\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-Zaa3K-A1-8.5W.png?fit=840%2C409&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-4475\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-Zaa3K-A1-8.5W.png?resize=840%2C408\" alt=\"PL84 Zaa=3K A1 8.5W\" width=\"840\" height=\"408\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-Zaa3K-A1-8.5W.png?w=1321&amp;ssl=1 1321w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-Zaa3K-A1-8.5W.png?resize=300%2C146&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-Zaa3K-A1-8.5W.png?resize=1024%2C498&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PL84-Zaa3K-A1-8.5W.png?resize=500%2C243&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The PL84 pentode is very well known out there. I&#8217;m not going to write about it as there is plenty of information about the use of this pentode in push-pull amps, etc as well as comparisons with the EL84, EL86 and Russian equivalents such as 6P14P, 6P15P and 6P43P. I recommend you to check Klau&#8217;s &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2015\/03\/15\/pl84-triode\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;PL84 triode&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[154,157,5],"tags":[715,716,717,714,718,713,719,720,682],"class_list":["post-4468","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-output-stage","category-push-pull-designs","category-valves","tag-6p14p","tag-6p15p","tag-6p43p","tag-el84","tag-el86","tag-pl84","tag-pl84-triode","tag-pl84-triode-model","tag-push-pull"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-1a4","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4468","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4468"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4468\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4476,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4468\/revisions\/4476"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4468"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4468"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4468"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}