{"id":422,"date":"2012-07-14T08:50:39","date_gmt":"2012-07-14T08:50:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=422"},"modified":"2012-07-14T08:50:39","modified_gmt":"2012-07-14T08:50:39","slug":"a-preamp-design-with-the-ll2745","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2012\/07\/14\/a-preamp-design-with-the-ll2745\/","title":{"rendered":"A preamp design with the LL2745"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1>Lundahl LL2745 based OT DHT pre-amplifier<\/h1>\n<p>Before breadboarding a pre-amp with these nice <a title=\"New Output Transformer for the 01a \/ 26 pre-amps\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2012\/07\/09\/new-output-transformer-for-the-01a-26-pre-amps\/\">OT<\/a> provided by <a href=\"http:\/\/vinylsavor.blogspot.com\">Thomas Mayer<\/a>, I decided to simulate some options in LT Spice to see what results I got.<\/p>\n<h2>CX301a DHT pre-amp<\/h2>\n<p>First one is my preferred CX301a thoriated-tungsten DHT. I wired the LL2745 in 5.6:1 step-down configuration. \u00a0This should provide a low output impedance which is what we want in this configuration where we need to drive the cables to the amplifier with sufficient capability:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_423\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-423\" style=\"width: 584px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/CX301a-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"423\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2012\/07\/14\/a-preamp-design-with-the-ll2745\/cx301a-preamp-based-on-ll2745\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/CX301a-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?fit=1375%2C953&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1375,953\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"CX301a preamp based on LL2745\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;CX301a preamp based on LL2745&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/CX301a-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?fit=840%2C582&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-large wp-image-423\" title=\"CX301a preamp based on LL2745\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/CX301a-preamp-based-on-LL2745-1024x709.png?resize=584%2C404\" alt=\"\" width=\"584\" height=\"404\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/CX301a-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?resize=1024%2C709&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/CX301a-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?resize=300%2C207&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/CX301a-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?resize=432%2C300&amp;ssl=1 432w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/CX301a-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?w=1375&amp;ssl=1 1375w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-423\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">CX301a preamp based on LL2745<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Looks very promising. Of course gain will be much lower than a gyrator-based pre-amp, the 01a anode load is optimised providing very low distortion: 0.015% based on my SPICE model with curves taken from real CX301a. Gain is low at 3.1dB, but we don&#8217;t want loads of gain in this pre-amp. Sound is what we are after&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>26 DHT pre-amp<\/h2>\n<p>Now it&#8217;s time for the revered 26. I used Dmitry&#8217;s model based on the RCA manual curves. I&#8217;d like to simulate this again using a model based on starved filament curves with a real 26.<\/p>\n<p>Originally planned to bias the 26 in a different operating point based on feedback from Andy Evans, however after playing a bit with the OP I found that a more linear point was around Ia=5mA and Va=114V @ Vgk=-6.85V<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_424\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-424\" style=\"width: 584px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/26-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"424\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2012\/07\/14\/a-preamp-design-with-the-ll2745\/26-preamp-based-on-ll2745\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/26-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?fit=1355%2C953&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1355,953\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"26 preamp based on LL2745\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;26 preamp based on LL2745&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/26-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?fit=840%2C591&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-large wp-image-424\" title=\"26 preamp based on LL2745\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/26-preamp-based-on-LL2745-1024x720.png?resize=584%2C410\" alt=\"\" width=\"584\" height=\"410\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/26-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?resize=1024%2C720&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/26-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?resize=300%2C210&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/26-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?resize=426%2C300&amp;ssl=1 426w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/26-preamp-based-on-LL2745.png?w=1355&amp;ssl=1 1355w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-424\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">26 preamp based on LL2745<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>26 looks more interesting in principle as the output impedance with this model is lower than the CX301a thanks to having a lower Ra (7K\u03a9 against 11K\u03a9) so LF response will be slightly better in a side by side comparison.<\/p>\n<p>Will be trying these two with filament bias and Rod Coleman&#8217;s filament <a title=\"DHT filament regulator\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/dht-filament-regulator\/\">regulators<\/a>. \u00a0The HT will be provided through a Salas HV shunt regulator.<\/p>\n<p>Stay tuned&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lundahl LL2745 based OT DHT pre-amplifier Before breadboarding a pre-amp with these nice OT provided by Thomas Mayer, I decided to simulate some options in LT Spice to see what results I got. CX301a DHT pre-amp First one is my preferred CX301a thoriated-tungsten DHT. I wired the LL2745 in 5.6:1 step-down configuration. \u00a0This should provide &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2012\/07\/14\/a-preamp-design-with-the-ll2745\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;A preamp design with the LL2745&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[12,5],"tags":[779,134,59,6,21,47,8,785,132,136,18,9,78,135,74,784],"class_list":["post-422","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dht-valves","category-valves","tag-779","tag-coleman","tag-cx301a","tag-dht","tag-dht-pre-amplifier","tag-dht-preamplifier","tag-hi-fi","tag-ll2745","tag-lundahl","tag-ot-preamp","tag-pre-amp","tag-pre-amplifier","tag-rod-coleman-regulator","tag-salas-hv-regulator","tag-salas-regulator","tag-thd"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-6O","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/422","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=422"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/422\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":425,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/422\/revisions\/425"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=422"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=422"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=422"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}