{"id":3557,"date":"2014-07-02T19:50:16","date_gmt":"2014-07-02T18:50:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=3557"},"modified":"2014-07-02T19:50:16","modified_gmt":"2014-07-02T18:50:16","slug":"robustiano-4p1l-se-schade-feedback-tests-part-i-and-ii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2014\/07\/02\/robustiano-4p1l-se-schade-feedback-tests-part-i-and-ii\/","title":{"rendered":"Robustiano: 4P1L SE Schade Feedback tests Part I and II"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here are some further tests using automated measurements. Firstly I tried same configuration running the 4P1L at closely 38mA and 160V screen voltage. Second test, I dialled up the screen voltage to 171V and tweaked feedback to get current up to 40mA<\/p>\n<p>Interesting to see that the performance is more triode-like and has a higher THD at lower output levels, however at higher levels the THD is lower. Mainly dominated by H3 and significant rise of H5 given grid current I suspect:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-THD-versus-power-test-1-and-2.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"3558\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2014\/07\/02\/robustiano-4p1l-se-schade-feedback-tests-part-i-and-ii\/robustiano-thd-versus-power-test-1-and-2\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-THD-versus-power-test-1-and-2.png?fit=634%2C528&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"634,528\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Robustiano THD versus power test 1 and 2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-THD-versus-power-test-1-and-2.png?fit=634%2C528&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-3558\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-THD-versus-power-test-1-and-2.png?resize=634%2C528\" alt=\"Robustiano THD versus power test 1 and 2\" width=\"634\" height=\"528\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-THD-versus-power-test-1-and-2.png?w=634&amp;ssl=1 634w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-THD-versus-power-test-1-and-2.png?resize=300%2C249&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-THD-versus-power-test-1-and-2.png?resize=360%2C300&amp;ssl=1 360w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a>Here is the harmonic distribution of the first test (more pentode like)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test1-harmonic-profile.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"3560\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2014\/07\/02\/robustiano-4p1l-se-schade-feedback-tests-part-i-and-ii\/robustiano-test1-harmonic-profile\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test1-harmonic-profile.png?fit=595%2C528&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"595,528\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Robustiano test1 harmonic profile\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test1-harmonic-profile.png?fit=595%2C528&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-3560\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test1-harmonic-profile.png?resize=595%2C528\" alt=\"Robustiano test1 harmonic profile\" width=\"595\" height=\"528\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test1-harmonic-profile.png?w=595&amp;ssl=1 595w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test1-harmonic-profile.png?resize=300%2C266&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test1-harmonic-profile.png?resize=338%2C300&amp;ssl=1 338w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 595px) 85vw, 595px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is the harmonic distribution of the second test (more triode like):<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test2-harmonic-profile.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"3559\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2014\/07\/02\/robustiano-4p1l-se-schade-feedback-tests-part-i-and-ii\/robustiano-test2-harmonic-profile\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test2-harmonic-profile.png?fit=624%2C539&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"624,539\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Robustiano test2 harmonic profile\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test2-harmonic-profile.png?fit=624%2C539&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-3559\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test2-harmonic-profile.png?resize=624%2C539\" alt=\"Robustiano test2 harmonic profile\" width=\"624\" height=\"539\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test2-harmonic-profile.png?w=624&amp;ssl=1 624w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test2-harmonic-profile.png?resize=300%2C259&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-test2-harmonic-profile.png?resize=347%2C300&amp;ssl=1 347w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a>From a frequency response perspective, it performs very good with -3dB from 10Hz to up to 35kHz at 1W tested level:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-FR-and-THD-1W-Test1.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"3561\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2014\/07\/02\/robustiano-4p1l-se-schade-feedback-tests-part-i-and-ii\/robustiano-fr-and-thd-1w-test1\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-FR-and-THD-1W-Test1.png?fit=865%2C454&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"865,454\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Robustiano FR and THD 1W Test1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-FR-and-THD-1W-Test1.png?fit=840%2C441&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-3561\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-FR-and-THD-1W-Test1.png?resize=840%2C441\" alt=\"Robustiano FR and THD 1W Test1\" width=\"840\" height=\"441\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-FR-and-THD-1W-Test1.png?w=865&amp;ssl=1 865w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-FR-and-THD-1W-Test1.png?resize=300%2C157&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/07\/Robustiano-FR-and-THD-1W-Test1.png?resize=500%2C262&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a>What surprised me was to find out the increasing distortion at HF. Will this be due to the 4P1L grid capacitance or the DN2540?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here are some further tests using automated measurements. Firstly I tried same configuration running the 4P1L at closely 38mA and 160V screen voltage. Second test, I dialled up the screen voltage to 171V and tweaked feedback to get current up to 40mA Interesting to see that the performance is more triode-like and has a higher &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2014\/07\/02\/robustiano-4p1l-se-schade-feedback-tests-part-i-and-ii\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Robustiano: 4P1L SE Schade Feedback tests Part I and II&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[5],"tags":[782,617,322,616],"class_list":["post-3557","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-valves","tag-4p1l","tag-4p1l-schade-feedback","tag-4p1l-se","tag-robustiano"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-Vn","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3557","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3557"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3557\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3562,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3557\/revisions\/3562"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3557"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3557"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3557"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}