{"id":1911,"date":"2013-09-22T14:23:56","date_gmt":"2013-09-22T13:23:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=1911"},"modified":"2013-09-22T14:23:56","modified_gmt":"2013-09-22T13:23:56","slug":"4p1l-tracing-a2-curves-first-test","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/09\/22\/4p1l-tracing-a2-curves-first-test\/","title":{"rendered":"4P1L: Tracing A2 curves (first test)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Just finished the digital tracer project uTracer V3. Did some further tests this morning, now with my favourite DHT: <a title=\"4P1L triode SPICE model\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/04\/01\/4p1l-triode-spice-model\/\">4P1L<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Started with a well known bias point for triode-strapped operation:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-Va200V.bmp\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1912\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/09\/22\/4p1l-tracing-a2-curves-first-test\/4p1l-va200v\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-Va200V.bmp\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"4P1L Va=200V\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-Va200V.bmp\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-1912\" alt=\"4P1L Va=200V\" src=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-Va200V.bmp\" \/><\/a><!--more-->\u00a0Nice to see the valve biasing at 30mA\/-15V for an anode voltage of 200V<\/p>\n<p>Transconductance is slightly above 6mA\/V which is spot on.\u00a0Looking at the anode curves we can see is really linear. BTW: no average on the samples taken:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-Triode.bmp\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1913\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/09\/22\/4p1l-tracing-a2-curves-first-test\/4p1l-triode-3\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-Triode.bmp\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"4P1L Triode\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-Triode.bmp\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-1913\" alt=\"4P1L Triode\" src=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-Triode.bmp\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Then I took the A2 grid and anode curves using the screen connection. Started at 2V which is the lowest possible:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-A2-curves.bmp\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1914\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/09\/22\/4p1l-tracing-a2-curves-first-test\/4p1l-a2-curves\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-A2-curves.bmp\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"4p1l A2 curves\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-A2-curves.bmp\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-1914\" alt=\"4p1l A2 curves\" src=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-A2-curves.bmp\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>When combined both graphs in Excel I realised that there was a 2V shift in the A2 curves. Is this expected in uTracer? I corrected the grid voltage by adding +2V to the measured voltage using the screen measurement circuit:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-triode.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1915\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/09\/22\/4p1l-tracing-a2-curves-first-test\/4p1l-a2-triode\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-triode.png?fit=840%2C621&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"840,621\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"4P1L A2 triode\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-triode.png?fit=840%2C621&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-1915\" alt=\"4P1L A2 triode\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-triode.png?resize=840%2C621\" width=\"840\" height=\"621\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-triode.png?w=840&amp;ssl=1 840w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-triode.png?resize=300%2C221&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-triode.png?resize=405%2C300&amp;ssl=1 405w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Clearly the grid current raises significantly at very low voltages showing the very low impedance in A2. Not sure whether the curve extreme bunching is correct or is the performance of the screen driver.<\/p>\n<p>Looking at matching the SPICE model, I couldn&#8217;t fit easily the positive curves:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-a2-model-version1.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1916\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/09\/22\/4p1l-tracing-a2-curves-first-test\/4p1l-a2-model-version1\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-a2-model-version1.png?fit=1325%2C624&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1325,624\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"4p1l a2 model version1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-a2-model-version1.png?fit=840%2C395&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-1916\" alt=\"4p1l a2 model version1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-a2-model-version1-1024x482.png?resize=584%2C274\" width=\"584\" height=\"274\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-a2-model-version1.png?resize=1024%2C482&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-a2-model-version1.png?resize=300%2C141&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-a2-model-version1.png?resize=500%2C235&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4p1l-a2-model-version1.png?w=1325&amp;ssl=1 1325w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Then tried to create a more accurate model for the grid current:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-grid-current-model.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1917\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/09\/22\/4p1l-tracing-a2-curves-first-test\/4p1l-a2-grid-current-model\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-grid-current-model.png?fit=1104%2C574&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1104,574\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"4P1L A2 grid current model\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-grid-current-model.png?fit=840%2C436&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-1917\" alt=\"4P1L A2 grid current model\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-grid-current-model-1024x532.png?resize=584%2C303\" width=\"584\" height=\"303\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-grid-current-model.png?resize=1024%2C532&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-grid-current-model.png?resize=300%2C155&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-grid-current-model.png?resize=500%2C259&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/09\/4P1L-A2-grid-current-model.png?w=1104&amp;ssl=1 1104w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Need to better match this, but as a first attempt is not that bad.Here\u00a0\u00a0is the generated SPICE model:<\/p>\n<pre>**** 4P1L A2 TRIODE ** Composite DHT with Advanced Grid Current **************\r\n* Created on 09\/22\/2013 10:18 using paint_kit.jar Version 2.4 Beta. May 2013\r\n* www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\r\n* Traced by Ale Moglia using uTracer v3\r\n* Plate Curves image file: 4P1L A2 TRIODE\r\n* Plate Data source link: www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\r\n*----------------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n.SUBCKT DHT_4P1L_A2 1 2 3 4 ; P G K1 K2\r\n+ PARAMS: CCG=6P CGP=8P CCP=4P RFIL=1.62\r\n+ MU=9.6 KG1=851 KP=52 KVB=144.4 VCT=0.444 EX=1.41 \r\n+ VGOFF=-0.6 IGA=0.001 IGB=0.3 IGC=8 IGEX=2 \r\n* Vp_MAX=250 Ip_MAX=100 Vg_step=2 Vg_start=16 Vg_count=15\r\n* Rp=4000 Vg_ac=55 P_max=9 Vg_qui=-48\r\n* X_MIN=120 Y_MIN=68 X_SIZE=561 Y_SIZE=500 FSZ_X=1340 FSZ_Y=661 XYGrid=false\r\n*----------------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\nRFIL_LEFT 3 31 {RFIL\/4}\r\nRFIL_RIGHT 4 41 {RFIL\/4}\r\nRFIL_MIDDLE1 31 34 {RFIL\/4}\r\nRFIL_MIDDLE2 34 41 {RFIL\/4}\r\nE11 32 0 VALUE={V(1,31)\/KP*LOG(1+EXP(KP*(1\/MU+V(2,31)\/SQRT(KVB+V(1,31)*V(1,31)))))}\r\nE12 42 0 VALUE={V(1,41)\/KP*LOG(1+EXP(KP*(1\/MU+V(2,41)\/SQRT(KVB+V(1,41)*V(1,41)))))}\r\nRE11 34 0 1G\r\nG11 1 31 VALUE={(PWR(V(32),EX)+PWRS(V(32),EX))\/(2*KG1)}\r\nG12 1 41 VALUE={(PWR(V(42),EX)+PWRS(V(42),EX))\/(2*KG1)}\r\nRCP1 1 34 1G\r\nC1 2 34 {CCG} ; CATHODE-GRID\r\nC2 2 1 {CGP} ; GRID=PLATE\r\nC3 1 34 {CCP} ; CATHODE-PLATE\r\nRE2 2 0 1G\r\nEGC1 81 0 VALUE={V(2,31)-VGOFF} ; POSITIVE GRID THRESHOLD\r\nGG1 2 31 VALUE={0.5*(IGA+IGB\/(IGC+V(1,31)))*(MU\/KG1)*(PWR(V(81),IGEX)+PWRS(V(81),IGEX))}\r\nEGC2 82 0 VALUE={V(2,41)-VGOFF} ; POSITIVE GRID THRESHOLD\r\nGG2 2 41 VALUE={0.5*(IGA+IGB\/(IGC+V(1,41)))*(MU\/KG1)*(PWR(V(82),IGEX)+PWRS(V(82),IGEX))}\r\n.ENDS \r\n*$<\/pre>\n<p>Just need to further investigate this&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Cheers,<\/p>\n<p>Ale<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Just finished the digital tracer project uTracer V3. Did some further tests this morning, now with my favourite DHT: 4P1L. Started with a well known bias point for triode-strapped operation:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[24,5],"tags":[782,376,286,110,109,428],"class_list":["post-1911","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-valve-curve-tracer","category-valves","tag-4p1l","tag-4p1l-a2","tag-4p1l-driver","tag-4p1l-triode-curves","tag-4p1l-triode-mode","tag-utracer"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-uP","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1911","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1911"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1911\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1918,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1911\/revisions\/1918"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1911"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1911"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1911"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}