{"id":1629,"date":"2013-06-02T21:33:11","date_gmt":"2013-06-02T20:33:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/?p=1629"},"modified":"2013-06-02T21:33:11","modified_gmt":"2013-06-02T20:33:11","slug":"307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/06\/02\/307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii\/","title":{"rendered":"307a with schade feedback (Part II)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Some time ago I traced the <a title=\"307a DHT in triode and Schade feedback\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/03\/16\/307a-dht-in-triode-and-schade-feedback\/\">307a that kindly Vegard Winge sent me from Norway<\/a>. As suggested by Vegard, I re-traced them with lower screen voltage and increased feedback to improve the linearity of the 307a in this mode.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-test.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1635\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/06\/02\/307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii\/307a-schade-test\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-test.png?fit=226%2C207&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"226,207\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"307a schade test\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-test.png?fit=226%2C207&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-1635\" alt=\"307a schade test\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-test.png?resize=226%2C207\" width=\"226\" height=\"207\" \/><\/a>The modification to the curve tracer is simple. A simple resistor divider (R1, R2) provides the feedback to the grid. The grid driver provides a constant impedance so works fine. With a potentiometer you can adjust the feedback ratio and look at the impact on the curves. Very handy!<\/p>\n<p>With 15.5% feedback and 125V screen voltage I got the best curves as shown below:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-15.5FB-125V.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1632\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/06\/02\/307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii\/307a-schade-15-5fb-125v\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-15.5FB-125V.jpg?fit=1024%2C819&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1024,819\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;4.5&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;Canon EOS 600D&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1369645656&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;36&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;200&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.066666666666667&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"307a schade 15.5FB 125V\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-15.5FB-125V.jpg?fit=840%2C672&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-1632\" alt=\"307a schade 15.5FB 125V\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-15.5FB-125V.jpg?resize=840%2C672\" width=\"840\" height=\"672\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-15.5FB-125V.jpg?w=1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-15.5FB-125V.jpg?resize=300%2C239&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-15.5FB-125V.jpg?resize=375%2C300&amp;ssl=1 375w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Nice to see the anode resistance coming down to 1k\u03a9.I tried matching a triode model to these curves with a good result<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-FB-15.5FB-model-matchin-.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1633\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/06\/02\/307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii\/307a-schade-fb-15-5fb-model-matchin\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-FB-15.5FB-model-matchin-.png?fit=1020%2C818&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1020,818\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"307a schade FB 15.5FB model matchin\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-FB-15.5FB-model-matchin-.png?fit=840%2C674&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-1633\" alt=\"307a schade FB 15.5FB model matchin\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-FB-15.5FB-model-matchin-.png?resize=584%2C468\" width=\"584\" height=\"468\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-FB-15.5FB-model-matchin-.png?w=1020&amp;ssl=1 1020w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-FB-15.5FB-model-matchin-.png?resize=300%2C240&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-schade-FB-15.5FB-model-matchin-.png?resize=374%2C300&amp;ssl=1 374w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Still a 5K-7K will do best, but let&#8217;s have a look at the performance with a 5K load first.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">A) 5K Load and OT gapped at 50mA<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa-5K-50mA.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1638\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/06\/02\/307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii\/307a-schade-15-5fb-zaa-5k-50ma\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa-5K-50mA.png?fit=874%2C637&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"874,637\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"307a Schade 15.5FB Zaa 5K 50mA\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa-5K-50mA.png?fit=840%2C612&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-1638\" alt=\"307a Schade 15.5FB Zaa 5K 50mA\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa-5K-50mA.png?resize=840%2C612\" width=\"840\" height=\"612\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa-5K-50mA.png?w=874&amp;ssl=1 874w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa-5K-50mA.png?resize=300%2C218&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa-5K-50mA.png?resize=411%2C300&amp;ssl=1 411w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>With 125V screen, an 5K\/50mA OT and biased at 308V you can get about 2W @1.12% with 86Vpp.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">B) 5K Load and OT gapped at 65\/70mA<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa5K-65mA.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1639\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/06\/02\/307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii\/307a-schade-15-5fb-zaa5k-65ma\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa5K-65mA.png?fit=875%2C634&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"875,634\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"307a Schade 15.5FB Zaa=5K 65mA\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa5K-65mA.png?fit=840%2C609&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-1639\" alt=\"307a Schade 15.5FB Zaa=5K 65mA\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa5K-65mA.png?resize=584%2C423\" width=\"584\" height=\"423\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa5K-65mA.png?w=875&amp;ssl=1 875w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa5K-65mA.png?resize=300%2C217&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-Zaa5K-65mA.png?resize=414%2C300&amp;ssl=1 414w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>With 125V screen, an 5K\/65mA OT and biased at 307V you can get about 3.6W @1% with 113 Vpp. About 1.6W more of output power by increasing bias current by 10mA and\u00a0increasing\u00a0the grid drive from 86 to 113 Vpp.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">C) 6.5K Load and OT gapped at 50mA<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-6k5-50mA.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1640\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/06\/02\/307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii\/307a-schade-15-5fb-6k5-50ma\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-6k5-50mA.png?fit=868%2C634&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"868,634\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"307a Schade 15.5FB 6k5 50mA\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-6k5-50mA.png?fit=840%2C614&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-1640\" alt=\"307a Schade 15.5FB 6k5 50mA\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-6k5-50mA.png?resize=584%2C426\" width=\"584\" height=\"426\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-6k5-50mA.png?w=868&amp;ssl=1 868w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-6k5-50mA.png?resize=300%2C219&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/307a-Schade-15.5FB-6k5-50mA.png?resize=410%2C300&amp;ssl=1 410w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 85vw, 584px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you consider an 6.5K OT instead, then an LL9202\/50mA (or even a LL1623\/50mA but impedance is 6K instead) would perform nicely to achieve 2.5W@0.85% but with a drive of \u00a0 \u00a0102Vpp. This would be enough for a DHT headphone amp, as some were considering in DYIAudio forum not long ago.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some time ago I traced the 307a that kindly Vegard Winge sent me from Norway. As suggested by Vegard, I re-traced them with lower screen voltage and increased feedback to improve the linearity of the 307a in this mode. The modification to the curve tracer is simple. A simple resistor divider (R1, R2) provides the &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/2013\/06\/02\/307a-with-schade-feedback-part-ii\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;307a with schade feedback (Part II)&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[12,33,154,67,24,5],"tags":[348,349,351,353,354,6,405],"class_list":["post-1629","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dht-valves","category-headphone-amp","category-output-stage","category-thd","category-valve-curve-tracer","category-valves","tag-307a","tag-307a-curves","tag-307a-schade","tag-307a-schade-feedback","tag-307a-triode-mode","tag-dht","tag-dht-headphone-amp"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2r2tK-qh","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1629","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1629"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1629\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1805,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1629\/revisions\/1805"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1629"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1629"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bartola.co.uk\/valves\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1629"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}